V4B1 potential

[User 12049]

That is also just what you think too though. As a developer, it's my job to make sure the gamemode is balanced by listening to the community. You and a few others are the only ones who have claimed there is no balance when it comes to Government and Criminals while the many others seem fine with it. This is off the topic of this discussion thread though.V4B1 will be ready very quickly if we decide to switch to it due to most things being set up. I think it really seems like the best option at this point as it's obvious a change needs to happen soon. V2D was called a temporary change anyway so no one should be surprised if we do switch.

You're only a developer. As a developer its your job to be told what to do and do bug reports raised. Its not your choice to choose where there is balance as this is something the staff team/community should decide.

https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=86265
https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=86687
https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=85607
https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=85532

( You wanted SWAT van fully bulletproof and wanted SRU to get famas for free, shows your thoughts on balance?!?!?!)


Lucky some of these suggestions you raised where when you was contributor/FL member so we was able to like a normal person on the server tell you had to raise them vai the suggestions page and get declined like they rightfully should.


However, as we can see from your recent updates to government (why is this riot shield still a thing?) you're wanting to make them some powerhouse where new players will literally have zero chance against an attacking government force.
Just because you think its 'fair' and 'balance' 100% doesn't mean it is.

You say the community shall decide and we are the community, you can clearly see how many people disagree with you in this thread we are also part of the community, you don’t represent everyone mate, but small minority of 8 people who constantly want to nerf the government, minorities can’t represent the majority of people who are angry at the way your squad acts on the server.

I 100%, no 1000% agree with you however that isnt the case:

Was approved: https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=85580

I have ran through the numbers of +/- supports given :

-sup111111111111111111
+sup111111111111


https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=87865&page=2

-sup1111
+sup111111

(was declined even though community voted more in yes)

https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=87966&page=3

+sup11111111111111111
-sup11 

Have a guess from the TWO people who -supp that suggestion was? Pollux. (and yes, this was was declined also)

https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=84458&page=6

+supp1111111111111111111111111
-supp11111111 (You can only guess who -supp this suggestion...)

(yea, this was got declined also)

I'll leave this here, just next time please base your argument on facts as I sure as hell make sure I do.

[Yonno]

Can we stay on topic please, and not tell Developers how to do their job or discuss whether or not the Government is OP? This is about the map V4B1, feel free to create your own thread.

Yes you're right my mistake on that, I feel however the issue of wanting to swap from V4B1 stems from this chain of:

Government OP >  Government get free guns > Government don't value life > Government will get into raids all teh time as they don't care > Always gunfights at slums as we don't give up > Constant gunfights due to no value of life from cops > Shit experience for everyone else > Wants to swap map in a hope of fixing things.

Swapping map wont fix the main issue, its merely a bandied to the problem.

I appreciate the honesty.

I certain that this issue between gangs at slums and the government isn't the sole reason, but perhaps it's rather one of the factors that truly set this desire for change in motion.

A lot of people didn't want V2D from the getgo, as we were forced to switch to it after Pines had many issues (though I believe Pollux stated he fixed most of these as they were not actually related to the map itself). Besides that it seems like many people have grown tired of V2D as well. I personally don't believe PassiveRP and AgressiveRP can go hand in hand on V2D in its current state and I'm certain many people unanimously agree with me, especially after having seen the recent events (not putting the blame on anyone here).

Government could be considered an issue in regards to them not valuing their life, but then surely that should be classified as a breakage of FearRP and should be dealt accordingly with by administrators. Record footage of cops that "don't value their life" and PR them, that way perhaps people will start to learn that they should roleplay valuing their lives accordingly. 
I'm not stating this is the sole solution naturally, but I do think this would be a great starting point. 

I personally don't believe that taking away free guns from cops will make it a healthier AgressiveRP environment, perhaps it had worked back in the day, but I think that you can agree with me as well that people have gotten a lot better over time in regards to their skills in AgressiveRP, and that for example giving the government SMGs will drastically lower their chances of survival, especially if they're newer and thus unexperienced players. I believe we can all agree that enjoyment factor is the most important aspect of AgressiveRP.

Going back to V4B1 and using it as an example in comparison to V2D, I believe it will fix the overarching issue of AgressiveRP where it more or less impacts the entire city, disrupting PassiveRP. It could also mean that the Government is less inclined to break NLR as most favourable bases for criminals are not close to the Nexus, and thus it wouldn't be a 10 seconds walk from their spawn point, as well as criminals not being in a constant fight with the government in the middle of the city. I also think it's safe to say that a map like V4B1 has a much more passiveRP-friendly environment with more place for custom roleplay, including places like Grassy Field and the General Stores, as well as several other places.

[juicyorange]

That is also just what you think too though. As a developer, it's my job to make sure the gamemode is balanced by listening to the community. You and a few others are the only ones who have claimed there is no balance when it comes to Government and Criminals while the many others seem fine with it. This is off the topic of this discussion thread though.V4B1 will be ready very quickly if we decide to switch to it due to most things being set up. I think it really seems like the best option at this point as it's obvious a change needs to happen soon. V2D was called a temporary change anyway so no one should be surprised if we do switch.

You're only a developer. As a developer its your job to be told what to do and do bug reports raised. Its not your choice to choose where there is balance as this is something the staff team/community should decide.

https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=86265
https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=86687
https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=85607
https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=85532

( You wanted SWAT van fully bulletproof and wanted SRU to get famas for free, shows your thoughts on balance?!?!?!)


Lucky some of these suggestions you raised where when you was contributor/FL member so we was able to like a normal person on the server tell you had to raise them vai the suggestions page and get declined like they rightfully should.


However, as we can see from your recent updates to government (why is this riot shield still a thing?) you're wanting to make them some powerhouse where new players will literally have zero chance against an attacking government force.
Just because you think its 'fair' and 'balance' 100% doesn't mean it is.

You say the community shall decide and we are the community, you can clearly see how many people disagree with you in this thread we are also part of the community, you don’t represent everyone mate, but small minority of 8 people who constantly want to nerf the government, minorities can’t represent the majority of people who are angry at the way your squad acts on the server.

I 100%, no 1000% agree with you however that isnt the case:

Was approved: https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=85580

I have ran through the numbers of +/- supports given :

-sup111111111111111111
+sup111111111111


https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=87865&page=2

-sup1111
+sup111111

(was declined even though community voted more in yes)

https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=87966&page=3

+sup11111111111111111
-sup11 

Have a guess from the TWO people who -supp that suggestion was? Pollux. (and yes, this was was declined also)

https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=84458&page=6

+supp1111111111111111111111111
-supp11111111 (You can only guess who -supp this suggestion...)

(yea, this was got declined also)

I'll leave this here, just next time please base your argument on facts as I sure as hell make sure I do.

I’ll reply to you later.

[Kippsee]

I don't mind this map but I don't agree v2d is the main reason for the crossfire. If the map changes to v4b1 and a new 'OP' base was set up at the apartments then it's going to have the same outcome as before, however possibly disturb RP more as there are shops close to the apartments. However that scenario may be quite unlikely.

I do however agree that there are more PassiveRP opportunities and space on this map but I have always been a v2d supporter. Although, if we were going to swap the map then I would choose this one.

[don]

That is also just what you think too though. As a developer, it's my job to make sure the gamemode is balanced by listening to the community. You and a few others are the only ones who have claimed there is no balance when it comes to Government and Criminals while the many others seem fine with it. This is off the topic of this discussion thread though.V4B1 will be ready very quickly if we decide to switch to it due to most things being set up. I think it really seems like the best option at this point as it's obvious a change needs to happen soon. V2D was called a temporary change anyway so no one should be surprised if we do switch.

You're only a developer. As a developer its your job to be told what to do and do bug reports raised. Its not your choice to choose where there is balance as this is something the staff team/community should decide.

https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=86265
https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=86687
https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=85607
https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=85532

( You wanted SWAT van fully bulletproof and wanted SRU to get famas for free, shows your thoughts on balance?!?!?!)


Lucky some of these suggestions you raised where when you was contributor/FL member so we was able to like a normal person on the server tell you had to raise them vai the suggestions page and get declined like they rightfully should.


However, as we can see from your recent updates to government (why is this riot shield still a thing?) you're wanting to make them some powerhouse where new players will literally have zero chance against an attacking government force.
Just because you think its 'fair' and 'balance' 100% doesn't mean it is.

You say the community shall decide and we are the community, you can clearly see how many people disagree with you in this thread we are also part of the community, you don’t represent everyone mate, but small minority of 8 people who constantly want to nerf the government, minorities can’t represent the majority of people who are angry at the way your squad acts on the server.

I 100%, no 1000% agree with you however that isnt the case:

Was approved: https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=85580

I have ran through the numbers of +/- supports given :

-sup111111111111111111
+sup111111111111


https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=87865&page=2

-sup1111
+sup111111

(was declined even though community voted more in yes)

https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=87966&page=3

+sup11111111111111111
-sup11 

Have a guess from the TWO people who -supp that suggestion was? Pollux. (and yes, this was was declined also)

https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=84458&page=6

+supp1111111111111111111111111
-supp11111111 (You can only guess who -supp this suggestion...)

(yea, this was got declined also)

I'll leave this here, just next time please base your argument on facts as I sure as hell make sure I do.

Facts speak for themselves.

I always hear whats best for the community but i can't help but to think how much shit you all talk.

When it comes to suggestions you have to like them for them to be a thing, personally i think developers shouldn't have any say, you should just be given the job to do when said suggestion is approved.

So, Pollux just be straight up say i don't like so we are not having it simple. Just cut the bollocks you're honestly, a good dev when it comes to doing the work i give respect and credit when its due but the way you go about is shitty. I guess everyone has their ways some better than others.

EDIT: Apologies mono for going off topic i just had some i felt i needed to get off my chest apologies hope you can understand, I'm not going to let the same bullshit keep going on you know how it works.

[Schnitzelburger]

I would like to see V4B1 back again heck i don't care if its v33x i never really had FPS issues, yes maby when i only had my laptop but it still was very playable.

[Pollux]

That is also just what you think too though. As a developer, it's my job to make sure the gamemode is balanced by listening to the community. You and a few others are the only ones who have claimed there is no balance when it comes to Government and Criminals while the many others seem fine with it. This is off the topic of this discussion thread though.V4B1 will be ready very quickly if we decide to switch to it due to most things being set up. I think it really seems like the best option at this point as it's obvious a change needs to happen soon. V2D was called a temporary change anyway so no one should be surprised if we do switch.

You're only a developer. As a developer its your job to be told what to do and do bug reports raised. Its not your choice to choose where there is balance as this is something the staff team/community should decide.

https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=86265
https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=86687
https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=85607
https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=85532

( You wanted SWAT van fully bulletproof and wanted SRU to get famas for free, shows your thoughts on balance?!?!?!)


Lucky some of these suggestions you raised where when you was contributor/FL member so we was able to like a normal person on the server tell you had to raise them vai the suggestions page and get declined like they rightfully should.


However, as we can see from your recent updates to government (why is this riot shield still a thing?) you're wanting to make them some powerhouse where new players will literally have zero chance against an attacking government force.
Just because you think its 'fair' and 'balance' 100% doesn't mean it is.

You say the community shall decide and we are the community, you can clearly see how many people disagree with you in this thread we are also part of the community, you don’t represent everyone mate, but small minority of 8 people who constantly want to nerf the government, minorities can’t represent the majority of people who are angry at the way your squad acts on the server.

I 100%, no 1000% agree with you however that isnt the case:

Was approved: https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=85580

I have ran through the numbers of +/- supports given :

-sup111111111111111111
+sup111111111111


https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=87865&page=2

-sup1111
+sup111111

(was declined even though community voted more in yes)

https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=87966&page=3

+sup11111111111111111
-sup11 

Have a guess from the TWO people who -supp that suggestion was? Pollux. (and yes, this was was declined also)

https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=84458&page=6

+supp1111111111111111111111111
-supp11111111 (You can only guess who -supp this suggestion...)

(yea, this was got declined also)

I'll leave this here, just next time please base your argument on facts as I sure as hell make sure I do.

Again this is going off-topic, please create another discussion thread or DM me if you want to discuss it. The disclaimer in the Suggestion Guidelines will explain why some suggestions are denied even with a lot of support. I also usually always leave a detailed comment as to why it was denied if controversial.

[EmM]

V4B1 I think is the best option right now.

[Sp33dx]

I luv v2d i have done passive and aggressive rp on it I think its the best map since this map changing thing please dont take it away
And I love the fps never had this good fps on fl

[Alphaverse]

Yes! I love v4b1. In my opinion, it is a much better map than v2d.