UBLR 'John Silverthorne's Mum'

[Jonas]

Sanctions are to ensure minges stop being minges. Think of a school. If I do my homework incorrectly, I get no punishment as it is a mistake. If I intentionally don't do it, I get punished as it is different. That should be obvious now.

This is a very very very bad example, people who break the rules get punished to learn, not just because they need to regret it, yes they'll probably regret their actions, but punishments are given out, inorder to make people learn from their mistakes.

Your second point; You did not show us what had happened. What you did was cover up what you got wrong and show us a completely different situation. You were too high on the fence. You were near the tree. These are big factors. Also, you can see the difference when you constantly swap from shotgun to arms. When you only see an SRU in your garden you do not have time to think 'What does an unarmed SRU man look like glitched in a fence?'. That because it mostly goes like 'What does an unarmed SRU *BANG, DEAD*'. So, lets not pretend you showed us the actual situation. You can't deny the hard evidence in the video. 

I did show you what happend, i send you the video, dind't i?, also i demonstrated it on multiple occasions, i demonstraded the ACTION/ANIMATION, as said in my first reply, seeing as you can clearly see in the video where he is, i also said this in the mod-sit, don't know if you heard it or not, but i was showing you how each animation looked like, so saying that i hd to get the perfect location is stupid, because as said before, it's clearly shown in the video.
As you said yourself, the hard evidence in the video proves it all, he had time to stop, all it takes is to raise your finger from the mouse, which takes no time.

You say he could have 'stopped firing' but in the video its clear the 1 second spray was too short to be stopped half way. The video shows clearly that within 2 seconds he was seen and shot. So, please do not try and act like this was a drawn out, planned attempt to ruin Finn's day

He could have EASILY stopped shooting, again it takes no time at all.
And also, i never "tried to act like it was drawn out" and planned attempt to ruin Finn's day? I never said this or acted this way, i am simply saying that all he had to do was stop firing.
Violence shall always be last option, if you're unsure weather or not he's unarmed you can run up quickly and check, instead of opening fire on someone for no reason.

Now, how could it be seen as a breach? Im no genius, but as the SRU van(s) were driving around and propping up against walls with weapons, and the police were attempting to distract us at the front, we both know you were trying to breach. It was very clear it can be a breach. We saw you all crowded around about to raid and we saw an SRU in the garden. It's simple. 

I think you got my wordings wrong here, ofcourse it seems like he's about to breach, what i meant was: him being stuck in the fence, does that show that he has breached? Especially when unarmed.

The biggest problem here is if we could identify whether or not he was armed. Now, we know it was dark by the video. We know it was near the tree and so from most angles it was half covering him (despite what you say). We know that he was wearing black and so his limbs were not as clear. We know that we were rushing due to your extensive force outside our base. Finally, we know that he was only just inline with the fence separation. 

If you had a problem identifying if he was armed or not, you could run up and check, if he was armed he'd most likely shoot, but he dind't fire anything.
Half covered? You ran down a ranp and had CLEAR shot of him, you could easily be able to see that he was unarmed, stop trying to make up something that isen't true.

His posture, as seen in the video, is slouched and bent due to him being stuck. In addition, he is facing us which makes it much harder to tell his positioning of his arms and hands.As you can see from the video it is hard to tell despite what the you say the 'demonstrations' show. They gave a very biased result and you know that. 

If he is bent, and looking towards you, that would be the easiest way of seeing him if hea armed or not, as said above, my demonstrations where made to show how the body work, and how it looks like, not the actual position, this is what Random and I both said, and demonstrated.

We see the tree in the way, the darkness of the uniform and fence and we know the swat van is outside. You can see by our angle in the video we cant see the fence above him because we are parallel with it. So, we assumed (with all the tension and police force surrounding us) that it was the start of a raid. Do not try and pretend it was random when you have so many police around us and were in position to breach. We are not dumb and neither are so. 

You where running down un ground level, so seeing him should be no problem, and the darkness of the uniform? You can easily tell from a dark uniform to a silver-alike weapon.
I am not trying to pretend like the raid was random, not at all, your making up another lie again.

This was of course in the situation of you preparing for a raid. I count 6 seconds that Finn was alive in our base. 2 of which he was spotted. 1 in which he was shot. Clearly, it was a quick reaction. In any kind of raid you have no time to piss about, its straight up do or die. What you are suggesting is that we should cross reference their past, inspect every inch of their body, interview them, experiment with them and then decide whether or not to kill them. Obviously stupid. 

I never said for you to, quote on quote, " come cross reference their past, inspect every inch of their body, interview them, experiment with them and then decide whether or not to kill them." I said that VIOLENCE IS LAST OPTION, and you don't straight up fire on someone who's unarmed and have not threatend you in anyway, you could of easily have checked up weather or not he was going to shoot, he was stuck so he most likely weren't gonna shoot, that's common sence, and you should know that by now.

As we can tell, we are all some distance away from Finn. In fact, we were so far away we could not even hear him! This means we cannot educe FearRP on him and so killing was the only solution in the circumstances. The long distance makes it harder to see, of course which adds to the reason why it was so hard to identify. Its simple, the range is a large factor in such a complex situation. This is proven in the video.

You dind't have to educe a FearRP situation, you could of called an admin, you CLEARLY saw he was stuck up there, yet you kept on shooting.

Your first story in-game was that everyone else shot, so you shot and killed him, but the video proves wrong, and so did the damage logs, as you where the ONLY person to damage him in this situation, and that he was running around with a gun out and was tresspassing, these where your first excuses, how come you've changed the whole plot and situation? Do not avoid this question.

I feel like your attempting to make alot of fake claims, which they very much seem like, because you never said it in-game when you had your time.

Please keep the story real, and don't make up all this fake stuff, it is clear to me how you've changed the WHOLE story in an attempt to get him unblacklisted, however that is not how it works, what JoshZ did, he was fully aware of, and as i said to him, i have a suspecioun of him just trying to get his kills up for a good Kd, but that i do not have evidence up, or have anything to punish for, do that will be left here, but again, JoshZ was fully aware of this, he had no excuses whatsoever, so therefor you're making up stories i suppose?

John Silver or JoshZ (Dont remember who exactly) said "We thought it was a minge", which also backs up my claim of you trying to raise your KD, but i cannot do anything.

I think that the blacklist shall remain, Josh should have known way better with his experience, yet he continued, and he clearly dind't learn from the other blacklist.

~Jonas.
P.S Again, do not make up stories, lying in the courthouse is not allowed, so please; don't do it, Thanks.