Longevity

[blu]

Just a bunch of clowns.

Literally. 

How much can I buy FL for? Seriously.

[Haarek]

"An older version of the gamemode was already tried and didn't last for more than a day before dying, doing it again would be a short nostalgic trip that doesn't really help us."

You keep reiterating this point however I think literally none agrees with you - not even your own staff.
Everyone wants an old version of the game mode open and you just refuse to let it happen - because admitting defeat in this instance will hurt your pride.

[Luna]

"An older version of the gamemode was already tried and didn't last for more than a day before dying, doing it again would be a short nostalgic trip that doesn't really help us."

You keep reiterating this point however I think literally none agrees with you - not even your own staff.
Everyone wants an old version of the game mode open and you just refuse to let it happen - because admitting defeat in this instance will hurt your pride.

well then the next question is how old of a gamemode do people want because you could be talking from getting the 2010 gmod 9 gamemode from soulrippers off shore vault hidden in the depths of the bermuda triangle or the2019 gamemode.

(assuming that a gamemode pre 2017 or something would be selected)

all that would happen on a server with an older gamemode would be maybe a few days of activity from everyone going like wow remember when you pressed f2 on the doors and it was a small box with green text!!! or that the f1 menu was a silly little grey box with a bunch of tabs at the top. toppled with this some really old obsuce exploits that were forgotten about could be readded (and on v2d for the added nostalgia effect). 

there's a reason why there are no remaining gmod servers that run a really old gamemode are still around (with maybe possibly potentially perpheads but that isnt really compareable to this because our old gamemode was nowhere near as fully featured) or even active anymore. 

the only way it would work is if all the older players came back with the same mentalites they had back then to play on the server and put in as much effort because there is no way a sustainable playerbase will happen with the old gamemodes because there is literally nothing to do if there is no player interaction apart from spawning contraband and weed. 

your whole point just comes across as "oh it worked back then so surely it must work now!!"

Spoiler :

[Haarek]

"An older version of the gamemode was already tried and didn't last for more than a day before dying, doing it again would be a short nostalgic trip that doesn't really help us."

You keep reiterating this point however I think literally none agrees with you - not even your own staff.
Everyone wants an old version of the game mode open and you just refuse to let it happen - because admitting defeat in this instance will hurt your pride.

your whole point just comes across as "oh it worked back then so surely it must work now!!"

It has become pretty apparent that FL will never be revived and never return to its former state - because people have completely lost sight of what made FL good in the first place, and worse yet - every response to such a claim regurgitates the same point: "We have already tried it, it didn't work. Jap jap jap".

I am, and everyone else is fully aware bringing back the old game mode won't revive FL - because there are so many other problems with management and vision that it simply wouldn't be possible with the current regime.

The point of bringing up the server with an old version of the gamemode is for the remaining players and interested to join the server and hang out and experience FL.

An old version of the game mode would also not have the same economy issues that have plagued FL for the past... what..? 5 years now.

[Haarek]

the only way it would work is if all the older players came back with the same mentalites they had back then to play on the server and put in as much effort because there is no way a sustainable playerbase will happen with the old gamemodes because there is literally nothing to do if there is no player interaction apart from spawning contraband and weed. 

Furthermore, responses like this just show you have absolutely no intuition of what FL used to be before and what made it good - how are you supposed to revive something you don´t even understand?

But I think before you start understanding FL, you should read about punctuation. I nearly had a stroke reading your post and have considered reporting you for attempted murder.

[Arkten]

the only way it would work is if all the older players came back with the same mentalites they had back then to play on the server and put in as much effort because there is no way a sustainable playerbase will happen with the old gamemodes because there is literally nothing to do if there is no player interaction apart from spawning contraband and weed. 

Furthermore, responses like this just show you have absolutely no intuition of what FL used to be before and what made it good - how are you supposed to revive something you don´t even understand?

But I think before you start understanding FL, you should read about punctuation. I nearly had a stroke reading your post and have considered reporting you for attempted murder.

I guess at this point it becomes futile to beg further, Haarek. If you really want to really make this happen, I'll leave this here for you: https://wiki.facepunch.com/gmod/

Regardless of whether or not the FL team is to blame for the current state, at some point it will become pathetic to ask for the old gamemode to be revived all things considered. As they always say: If you want something done right, get some people together and do it yourself.

I mean not to belittle or insult you. I just feel as though your time and effort these past months would have been better spent learning to code GMod gamemodes for yourself. It teaches you a useful skill in this day and age and I suppose you could have been happier overall. I'm sure if you are honest and empathic about your wish for a return of the old gamemode, the devs might even give you an old copy for you to work on, so you won't have to start from scratch.

Spoiler :

Obvious -support from me, incase this was necessary

[Boonan]

old game mode doesn't work, old game mode shitty, old game mode only good because of people that played back then but most of them are naughty people who are probably in HMP!!!!

[livkx]

[Doctor Internet]

the only way it would work is if all the older players came back with the same mentalites they had back then to play on the server and put in as much effort because there is no way a sustainable playerbase will happen with the old gamemodes because there is literally nothing to do if there is no player interaction apart from spawning contraband and weed. 

Furthermore, responses like this just show you have absolutely no intuition of what FL used to be before and what made it good - how are you supposed to revive something you don´t even understand?

But I think before you start understanding FL, you should read about punctuation. I nearly had a stroke reading your post and have considered reporting you for attempted murder.

Christ alive.

What made FL a good basis for roleplay was the fact it had one of the strongest communities of roleplayers, for a non-serious roleplay community. The gamemode was a pile of shit that let you do like, two things at most, but people worked with and around it to interact and build their roleplays.

• BlackDog's prisons camps, done outside of the gamemode, the President would order police to drive to some random camp.
  
• Safira's sex / wedding RPs, literally had nothing to do with the gamemode.
  
• Vauld's server events? Almost all of that was player interaction, no use of gamemode systems apart from like, broadcasts.
  
• Killjoy / Eisehorn's Clan RPs, literally having elements which happened off-server, because it was down to interactions.
  
• Dr KuLa with his iconic "surrender now, I am heavily armed". The only gamemode system there is having a gun.
  
• ForceGhost and Co with their Givens RP, literally relying on RP interactions.
  
• So many hundreds of events, boiling down to builds and RP interaction.
  

That's why we had teachers, trying to promote those interactions and mini-events.

The gamemode is a canvas for roleplayers to paint on, but what can the gamemode do if there are no roleplayers?
That's why the gamemode was changed, in the 2016s onwards, to try and promote activity by giving people stuff to do, and that would bring in more roleplayers. But that didn't happen, we lost the roleplayers, to age, to other commitments, to toxicity, for a lack of things to do. We got new players, but we slowly bled roleplay quality. That's not a gamemode issue, that's a community issue.

You can try and say "you have absolutely no intuition of what FL used to be before", but I was literally there.
You've got your rose tinted glasses on, trying to remember the "good old days" that only existed because the community made it so, and to try and ignore that is so fucking disrespectful to the hundreds of people who made the community what it was.

What a surprise, Haarek flipped a coin and decided to write a dumb post, filled with random appeals to authority and unsubstantiated claims, and then concludes with an insult on the person engaging in good faith. Crazy.

[Marty]

Most of the "older" players won't come back. I'm not saying I'm any mad FL legend but I've been on this forum since 2014 and in the game since 2013.

Since playing on FL, I've now got 2 school age children, I'm married, we have full time careers in professions. There isn't enough time to load up GMOD and sit for endless hours playing.

Even with the last revival I logged on for maybe an hour or so to check it out, reminisced and then got on with life.

I agree that the game mode probably needs to appeal to a different player based, but with the length of time it's took it's unlikely even your current player base will return this time now. Hence my opinion, it's likely to die out.