My Opinion
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(03-04-2012, 07:43 PM)Soul Wrote:
(03-01-2012, 03:18 AM)wweee2345 Wrote: As you have stated they, meaning the admins, do vote upon these admin's democratically. Now let's say we had a server wide vote, it would be the same thing just a broader spectrum of a popularity vote. Now sum it back down to what it is now, it's a popularity vote among a smaller vote. My point in saying this is that even if we have a vote democratically among both admins or the players, it is often going to tip popularity over who is qualified. With the exception of a small few, this occurs majority of the time. Though my way of trial may be a bit harsher, I still see the need for harsher trials, as it seems to me that several admins were under-qualified for the job. Honestly, I feel a week is not enough and here is why, its easy to stay good in the minds of the players for a week, once that week is up, it is a lot harder to complain about that admin. Though the majority of admin abuse threads are made by people whom have been banned, there is a high amount of disgruntled players who don't speak their minds. Meaning that if anything were to change for some kind of good. As Storm has stated, there basically thrown into the job, unfortunately caused by this, it passes down the bad habits that other admins have.

I can't agree with this. Allowing not only admins, but also the community to vote for an admin will lead in a lot of inactive accounts on the forums, that were just created to vote for a friend, will lead to votes only based on popularity and notoriety of people and will give us, admins, less control about who we want to work together with. I think a week is enough to get to know how the basics of administration works, and after this trial week an admin can't just mess around, they know that it will lead into a demotion. I think (without trying to show off) that Fearless has one of the best managed admin teams. We have a lot of guides for admins to read, we have guidelines, we have a code of conduct and we have a lot of conferences about how we can improve the community, ban discussions and so on. The quality of the communication, managing and bans has been brought to a new level in my opinion and experience.


Quote:You guys now have a TS server, this should solve any communication issues, if used correctly. Better communication will lead to a stronger admin team, as well as community.

This might help a bit, but won't solve the whole problem of the unanswered @ messages.

Quote:RP points are a waste of time and often useless in creating a true RP community. It's easy to realize especially listening in OOC, how many people choose to RP just for it's rewards instead of its true meaning.

I rather have people who choose to RP just for it's reward than who doesn't try to RP decently at all. I'm sure that after the introduction of the RP points, the overall roleplay quality has increased a little.

Quote:Sure, they cause a temporary boost within RP, but in time your losing more than is returned back to the community.

Giving RP points doesn't take much time and is a pleasure for an admin to do. We don't have to make time free to get RP points since we reward if we see something nice. In the past we gave the player a compliment, nowadays still, but including a RP point. I don't see that as lost time.


Quote:We don't need more positions, we need better quality users.

Indeed, I think an team of 20 people will be enough at this moment, so I agree that we don't need that much admins anymore. That means we need one more admin, who is already being discussed about by the way.

I do appreciate your opinion and your feedback and will try to make the community a better place for you.

You didnt quite understand what I am trying to say.

I never stated we should allow the community to vote, I was making the comparison that either way it would be the same as the admin team choosing. Only on a broader level that is. Thing is both admin team and community vote ends up in the same result. Poor decisions and what seems to be a popularity contest in the eyes of many. It doesn't have anything to do with who you want to work with and their relationships. When it comes to being an admin, they're suppose to be professionals and let by gones be by gones. If they cant get along then rid the team of the conflict, there is no clear loss, seeing as you have a much larger base of qualified users for the job. If what you say is true about the week being enough, Why is the days I go on the server, I see the following:

- An admin RDMing a player
- An admin trolling a player for his/her opinion
- An admin performing a silly stunt that doesnt promote RP

And they go without consequences.

When it comes to Admin Abuse threads, it is one in a million chances that an admin is actually prosecuted. Would you like to know why? They don't look at it from a completely professional standpoint, they look at them as friends, and rush to their side to protect them. Even doing so, Faustie pointed this out himself.

Now with the TS server being spoken of, it ought to solve several of the issues and why should it not. If you have the admins are conversing with each other, then it solves the issue with multiple admins reporting to one call. Even so, its obvious to see this in the server as well. Yet we STILL have multiple admins reporting to one said person, in the process ignoring other calls to solve this one.

Soul, There are people who RP on the server for fun and people whom RP it for just points. Now honestly, tell me which one is more valuable to a successful community?

Im hoping you picked those who do it for fun. In saying this, you have better promotion of quality RP rather than casual RP that may last for an hour or until they receive an RP point. RP points lack the promotion of quality RP and are often abused by admins and players themselves.

Time made no factor to my assertions on RP points, doing so I will reiterate my point. Most players that I have spoken to, being several, RP for just RP points and that means items such as Gas Mask or Tommy Gun's. Once they've hit that accomplishment, there is generally a immediate drop in the quality of that player's RP. Plain and simple, they already have what they want. In ridding the server of RP points, you end the constant complaining over whom deserves RP points and who doesn't. Also offering more time and one less job for admins to perform.

Honestly Soul, This is going to be very general. Bigger is not always better and here is why. The biggest argument that is brought up is time zones and location, right?
It makes no difference whom is admin and where they are when they are either a) Not doing there job, b) On all at the same time, c) Is alone while doing his job.

Chances are its both a), b), and c) afterwards. When one admin is on and several players are on, they tend to be overstressed by the amount of @ calls. One main issues is you have either everyone administrating at once or no one at all. Set shift work, run it like a job. A demo being lets says Temar and Toby are on, at average the same time, these two admins focus on administrating for a certain period of time. Afterward they can do as they please if the other admins are on their average time. It can be unpredictable, but there is always a cover. Especially being if you want to use the higher number of admins, which you are doing now.

I don't want the community better for me, I want the community better for the sake of itself.




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My Opinion - by Vauld - 02-19-2012, 08:56 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Dryblood - 02-19-2012, 08:58 PM
RE: My Opinion - by The_Alpha_Dog - 02-19-2012, 08:58 PM
RE: My Opinion - by equal - 02-19-2012, 08:59 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Vauld - 02-19-2012, 09:00 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Dryblood - 02-19-2012, 09:02 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Faustie - 02-19-2012, 09:02 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Dryblood - 02-19-2012, 09:05 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Strom - 02-19-2012, 09:11 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Dryblood - 02-19-2012, 10:15 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Nadrick - 02-19-2012, 09:07 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Vauld - 02-19-2012, 09:13 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Ms. Mudpie - 02-19-2012, 11:54 PM
RE: My Opinion - by StillAlive - 02-20-2012, 12:00 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Nudelholz - 02-20-2012, 06:58 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Mahti - 02-20-2012, 07:11 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Fleet Admiral Zapington - 02-20-2012, 07:40 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Dryblood - 02-20-2012, 08:24 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Fleet Admiral Zapington - 02-20-2012, 09:02 AM
RE: My Opinion - by equal - 02-20-2012, 10:07 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Biowulf - 02-20-2012, 09:09 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Sommer - 02-21-2012, 04:43 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Anakonda - 02-20-2012, 08:48 AM
RE: My Opinion - by BlackDog - 02-20-2012, 09:00 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Anakonda - 02-20-2012, 09:36 AM
RE: My Opinion - by StillAlive - 02-20-2012, 02:11 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Anakonda - 02-20-2012, 06:52 PM
RE: My Opinion - by ForceGhost - 02-20-2012, 09:03 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Jan - 02-20-2012, 09:30 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Foxy The Pirate - 02-20-2012, 11:05 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Azusa Nakano - 02-20-2012, 02:18 PM
RE: My Opinion - by sleepynoname - 02-20-2012, 02:36 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Serpent Lord - 02-20-2012, 02:49 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Ms. Mudpie - 02-20-2012, 03:49 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Biowulf - 02-20-2012, 03:53 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Mahti - 02-20-2012, 05:41 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Dryblood - 02-20-2012, 05:54 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Ms. Mudpie - 02-20-2012, 05:56 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Strom - 02-20-2012, 05:58 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Dryblood - 02-20-2012, 06:01 PM
RE: My Opinion - by wweee2345 - 02-21-2012, 03:58 AM
RE: My Opinion - by UTLonghorn12 - 02-21-2012, 06:46 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Azusa Nakano - 02-21-2012, 09:40 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Lani - 02-21-2012, 10:42 AM
RE: My Opinion - by equal - 02-21-2012, 11:27 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Lani - 02-21-2012, 12:36 PM
RE: My Opinion - by ForceGhost - 02-21-2012, 12:40 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Jan - 02-21-2012, 12:44 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Lani - 02-21-2012, 12:47 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Jan - 02-21-2012, 12:49 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Biowulf - 02-22-2012, 01:31 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Jan - 02-22-2012, 01:35 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Biowulf - 02-22-2012, 03:00 PM
RE: My Opinion - by equal - 02-21-2012, 05:36 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Azusa Nakano - 02-21-2012, 05:58 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Holdem - 02-21-2012, 11:41 AM
RE: My Opinion - by equal - 02-21-2012, 11:59 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Holdem - 02-21-2012, 12:19 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Ms. Mudpie - 02-21-2012, 04:10 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Serpent Lord - 02-21-2012, 05:09 PM
RE: My Opinion - by equal - 02-21-2012, 06:15 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Shadow - 02-21-2012, 06:17 PM
RE: My Opinion - by equal - 02-21-2012, 06:20 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Strom - 02-21-2012, 08:24 PM
RE: My Opinion - by equal - 02-21-2012, 08:34 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Lani - 02-21-2012, 10:53 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Holdem - 02-21-2012, 10:58 PM
RE: My Opinion - by StillAlive - 02-21-2012, 11:53 PM
RE: My Opinion - by equal - 02-22-2012, 12:25 AM
RE: My Opinion - by BlackDog - 02-22-2012, 12:43 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Holdem - 02-22-2012, 09:16 AM
RE: My Opinion - by equal - 02-22-2012, 10:27 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Holdem - 02-22-2012, 11:40 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Vauld - 02-22-2012, 10:47 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Strom - 02-23-2012, 05:21 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Faustie - 02-27-2012, 03:06 AM
RE: My Opinion - by SoulRipper - 02-29-2012, 11:37 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Strom - 02-29-2012, 04:46 PM
RE: My Opinion - by SoulRipper - 02-29-2012, 05:45 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Strom - 02-29-2012, 07:24 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Small Bear - 02-29-2012, 09:01 PM
RE: My Opinion - by wweee2345 - 03-01-2012, 03:18 AM
RE: My Opinion - by SoulRipper - 03-04-2012, 07:43 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Ms. Mudpie - 03-04-2012, 07:59 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Fleet Admiral Zapington - 03-04-2012, 09:42 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Ms. Mudpie - 03-04-2012, 10:25 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Fleet Admiral Zapington - 03-04-2012, 10:35 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Ms. Mudpie - 03-05-2012, 04:23 PM
RE: My Opinion - by ForceGhost - 03-04-2012, 10:18 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Killjoy - 03-04-2012, 10:21 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Vauld - 03-05-2012, 07:21 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Killjoy - 03-05-2012, 11:16 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Killjoy - 03-05-2012, 09:44 PM
RE: My Opinion - by wweee2345 - 03-05-2012, 10:15 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Killjoy - 03-06-2012, 10:40 AM
RE: My Opinion - by ForceGhost - 03-05-2012, 10:40 PM
RE: My Opinion - by wweee2345 - 03-05-2012, 10:47 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Vauld - 03-05-2012, 11:00 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Tank - 03-06-2012, 01:41 PM
RE: My Opinion - by wweee2345 - 03-06-2012, 09:18 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Faustie - 03-06-2012, 09:24 PM
RE: My Opinion - by Killjoy - 03-06-2012, 10:13 PM
RE: My Opinion - by wweee2345 - 03-07-2012, 12:20 AM
RE: My Opinion - by Killjoy - 03-07-2012, 12:25 AM
RE: My Opinion - by wweee2345 - 03-07-2012, 12:59 AM

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