Camorro declares war on Lucky 7... Or not?

[don]

I would agree that the timing of these clan/group changes wasn't ideal, as in hindsight, it would likely result in a reaction like the one which has followed it due to the recent drama between Camorro and Lucky 7.

However, I don't think that these changes will have any significant effect on whether or not actions would take place. It all comes down to whether or not there is enough reason for Camorro to take action on them in the first place, regardless of what has changed in these guidelines. Nothing that is in the new guidelines will have changed the outcome of the decision about the whether or not actions could take place. That decision is made by the clan officers obviously, and the conclusion of that discussion would not have been any different before or after these changes, as the ideas of what is deemed to be aggressive have not been affected by these guideline revisions. The only difference now is what would happen after that decision has been made.

These changes are more of a step in the right direction in terms of so called "passive" clans previously being able to be pretty much immune from wars and conflict due to their [Pas] tags. I understand that [Pas] clans could invalidate their Passive status before by acting too aggressive, but that is something which has been carried across to groups guidelines now unless I'm mistaken, and is still something that the clan officers would have to determine.

So as far as I can see, the argument about the guidelines being introduced in the middle of all this drama isn’t that much of an substantial one. If it is decided that Camorro do have enough reason to take action, you can now basically either make them your official bitches in a FearRP relationship or if they decided to seek assistance from another clan, a war would ensue. So, while your options are now different, they are both still undeniably in your favour and you have the clear upper hand in both, if action is approved.

If the argument is more about whether or not Lucky 7 did enough bad shit in the first place to warrant action from Camorro, that should be a discussion to be had in private between Jan, Forgee and the Clan Officers.

Its fairly obvious whats gone on its all out there. I appreciate your honest view on the situation as someone with no relation to any side. Im sure there is no bias in what you say. However, you said it yourself the timing wasnt ideal.

DVN said something along the lines of introducing it after the lucky 7 and camorro beef has ended. However, Joe Joe pushed it with other members of the staff team. Joe Joe is biased, so just put that into the picture its fairly obvious why he had it pushed. He shouldnt have the power he has within the clan world when he doesnt have a clue what day it is regarding the clan business.

I just think this just shows what FL has become. A literal joke, imagine if lucky 7 was ran by me for example and i wanted to pull out of the beef even though i caused it with my replies towards jan, i wouldnt have been able to do this nor would have Joe Joe done it for me. Its because it best fits him and his friends. How i see it. If you can prove my opinion wrong please do because i hope im seeing it wrong but i dont think i am.