Changes to punishments for uninvolved posts

[Avgar]

Joykill has it nailed down. I don't care what anyone says, please stop Reebs from being able to post in these things...I mean since he became a moderator he has literally posted in every AA, several times. I'm sorry but in an admin abuse thread a moderator has no valid input regardless of whether they are right or wrong.

The only time they should be commenting there is when they are either involved, or it's posted on them.

Same applies to Admins. But this is a rule we will never see implemented as once you are staff on FL you instantly become better than anyone else and the members and players are no longer a concern as you do not socialise with such peasants so therefore continue to talk down to them, ignore them, follow them about noclipped and phased waiting for them to breaks rule because they pointed out how you were wrong (next time turn off your flashlight Hitman)

This stuff bothers me greatly.

Joykill offered his opinion, you offered yours, I've read these opinions and am actually considering implementing some kind of rule-set regarding which staff members can share opinions or respond to admin abuse cases, as they can become quite filled with information that adds little to the case and simply makes it more difficult to investigate it*. But man oh man, if you look at the text I underlined in the quote, it has got to be one of the most defeatist messages I've ever seen on this forum. Do you honestly believe the things you're saying?

once you are staff on FL you instantly become better than anyone else and the members and players are no longer a concern as you do not socialise with such peasants
The community, which is made up of members and players and staff and contributors, etc. is always the primary concern to the staff. So some admins want to host private roleplays. So what? Regular players do that, but they don't get any flack for it, because there's nothing wrong with it. Sometimes you want to keep the player count low in a roleplay or manage who is in it, so that the quality of the roleplay wouldn't suffer from having to find a role for every single person that joins it.

I may not be active on the servers these days, but when I was, most of the roleplays me and Lesanka would set up would be open to everyone. Hell, most of the time it's more fun roleplaying with new people as you don't know them or what they are capable of. That is how I made most of my acquaintances. The same is valid for most if not all staff members.

follow them about noclipped and phased waiting for them to breaks rule because they pointed out how you were wrong
I've also heard the complaint of 'I'm being tracked by this or that admin, therefore they are biased' a hundred times now. Consider the situation:
1. An admin receives a call about a certain player breaking some kind of rule.
2. The admin teleports there, invisible, but the player is no longer breaking any apparent rules, nor can it be proved by logs.
3. The admin leaves.
4. The admin receives another call about the same player breaking some kind of rule.
5. The admin comes again, doesn't see the player breaking rules so they decide to stay and follow them for a while to investigate and catch them in the act of breaking rules.

Where is the abuse in the above? Hell, I'll admit it, several times I was overseeing a slum base to gather evidence on players baiting the cops by running at their face and flashing their guns then retreating back to their base. Am I biased or abusive for that? I certainly don't think so, because the sort of rule break that I was watching out for cannot be detected unless video evidence is taken or a staff member sees it themselves.

so therefore continue to talk down to them, ignore them
As for staff talking down to people, please gather some evidence regarding that and provide it. Because at least to me, that is a serious concern, if a staff member not only punishes you but also insults you or berates you, it's clearly a problem and shouldn't be done. And as far as 'ignoring' goes, and you may lynch me for this, but I think a staff member deserves some time to roleplay and not actively respond to calls such as 'I was RDM'd', 'I was CDM'd', after they administrate the servers for a while. Because let's be frank here, Fearless is a gaming community, so why would I want to administrate and do nothing but administrate a community that I can't even dedicate some time to play on? There are good admin Samaritans that do not roleplay these days and that's fine, but those that do wish to roleplay should have the right to, at least sometimes.


*I don't mean Reebs posts in particular, it's happened before where AA cases reach over 10 pages with evidence and opinions scattered all over the place. Something like that should be avoided when possible.