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02-16-2015, 02:03 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-01-2022, 01:03 AM by Fearless Community.
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I've been having trouble deciphering this case, but after a lot of looking into it I think I finally understand all of the problems here.
First, the number one biggest problem is people who aren't involved posting. It's a major problem, and if I had it my way the non-involved warn would not be 10% but would be 20-30%. It's a serious issue because it harms the defendant's (in this case Temar) defence, as often staff make a decision when taking into account posts by these people. It's an unfair trial, and the only people who should post are those who are directly involved, the defendant, and staff. It has also made it very hard to decipher what's going on in this thread, and rather than reading fair and objective posts all I can see for 90% of the thread is long ranting posts against Temar, some of which aren't even related to the case at hand - this could also sway an admin's opinion unfairly. Any further uninvolved players posting will receive much heftier warnings.
Another problem is the amount of wordplay going on here. People are twisting each others words to try and reinforce their own argument. See the below example.
Now, I can understand confusion at Temar's words; he didn't phrase things all too well. However, by reading a few previous posts and getting the correct context, it makes perfect sense to me. Temar first states that he used admin powers to remove the land he claimed was bugged - which may well be the case - and then proceeded to claim further land as a player using the factions system, for which he did not need admin. While it's badly worded, it makes sense in context. Ghost, I can understand you being confused at his wording, but instead you fire off loaded comments trying to claim that him badly wording things is proof that he is lying. If everyone calms down and deals with things objectively, rather than jumping to conclusions and firing off loaded comments, this'll go much smoother and we'll probably get a fair resolution soon.
Going on to what I think actually happened regarding the land claiming.
Firstly, according to Temar, it should have been impossible to claim unclaimed land that is directly touching another faction's. This is what happened first. Land was claimed - on which a TNT cannon was built - where it should not have been able to. Whether or not this is a bug can only really be answered by Temar, as he is the one who set up the servers and config files. I will say from experience hosting a few different MC servers that they can be buggy as hell and the config files a mess.
Temar's administrative action was to remove this 'bugged' land. He then proceeded to claim further land around his faction area, but he did this as a player, not via administrative commands. While the timing may be to his advantage, neither action by itself is abusive. Had he claimed the extra land using administrative powers then it would be a clear cut case of abuse, but this doesn't seem to be the case.
I'd also like to point out that the other controversial features/non-features of the server, such as lava, are not relevant to this case. Admins judging this case should ignore anything that isn't contributed by those directly involved.
First, the number one biggest problem is people who aren't involved posting. It's a major problem, and if I had it my way the non-involved warn would not be 10% but would be 20-30%. It's a serious issue because it harms the defendant's (in this case Temar) defence, as often staff make a decision when taking into account posts by these people. It's an unfair trial, and the only people who should post are those who are directly involved, the defendant, and staff. It has also made it very hard to decipher what's going on in this thread, and rather than reading fair and objective posts all I can see for 90% of the thread is long ranting posts against Temar, some of which aren't even related to the case at hand - this could also sway an admin's opinion unfairly. Any further uninvolved players posting will receive much heftier warnings.
Another problem is the amount of wordplay going on here. People are twisting each others words to try and reinforce their own argument. See the below example.
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Now, I can understand confusion at Temar's words; he didn't phrase things all too well. However, by reading a few previous posts and getting the correct context, it makes perfect sense to me. Temar first states that he used admin powers to remove the land he claimed was bugged - which may well be the case - and then proceeded to claim further land as a player using the factions system, for which he did not need admin. While it's badly worded, it makes sense in context. Ghost, I can understand you being confused at his wording, but instead you fire off loaded comments trying to claim that him badly wording things is proof that he is lying. If everyone calms down and deals with things objectively, rather than jumping to conclusions and firing off loaded comments, this'll go much smoother and we'll probably get a fair resolution soon.
Going on to what I think actually happened regarding the land claiming.
Firstly, according to Temar, it should have been impossible to claim unclaimed land that is directly touching another faction's. This is what happened first. Land was claimed - on which a TNT cannon was built - where it should not have been able to. Whether or not this is a bug can only really be answered by Temar, as he is the one who set up the servers and config files. I will say from experience hosting a few different MC servers that they can be buggy as hell and the config files a mess.
Temar's administrative action was to remove this 'bugged' land. He then proceeded to claim further land around his faction area, but he did this as a player, not via administrative commands. While the timing may be to his advantage, neither action by itself is abusive. Had he claimed the extra land using administrative powers then it would be a clear cut case of abuse, but this doesn't seem to be the case.
I'd also like to point out that the other controversial features/non-features of the server, such as lava, are not relevant to this case. Admins judging this case should ignore anything that isn't contributed by those directly involved.