Blacklisted - Physgun & Toolgun Access

[5p carrier bag]

Ok, to make one thing very simple to understand. I have no personal vendetta against you two. But be advised, that if a FL staff member talks to you for a longer period of time, so you can explain yourself to why you, as a contruction worker, killed a security guard, then stabbed and tranqed a BMD instead of calling the police about tresspasser, you obviously shouldn't stand right next to him and indirectly insult the staff member afterwards and giving attitude about it. Same goes for day 2, when Dave got blacklisted, first thing DrTosspot did, was comment in the OOC and then indirectly insulting the Staff member again while speaking between the both of you while standing right next to me.

Now, back to the case. I was watching your dupe and trying to talk to you about your dupe, and about our conversation the day before, while i was talking to Drogas on steam asking a couple of questions regarding the dupe and what he felt i should do. While i was trying to talk to you and waiting for reply, all i see are you two running around, stabbing a bmd, who also LEFT when you told him to, after you stabbed him a couple of times. When you finaly came back, you stood there for 20 seconds tops, then you both jumped the wall using the window and drove off in your trabant. At that point, i gave up trying to explain to you anymore until i had gotten response about the dupe and wheter or not it was public building, and you so clearly stated it wasn't.

When i finally got the response, i TPed Dave to me, finaly being able to have a talk without either of you running around doing everything else then talking to the mod, who is clearly talking to you. I explained to him how it was indeed public building, and regarding the conversation we had the day before, i was gonna take action for not listening. Now. I gave you a 3 hour blacklist, which is more then fair. I even got advised to ban you, but i saw no need for it, seing how i believe i had made my point towards public building permission with the blacklist.

When it comes to the impound and MyFloodifys shop. After i was done with you and your public building, i went over to the impound, and had a talk with RikarD, the owner of the impound. While i was there, i explained to him about public building, and without giving me any attitude about it, he simply asked for permission for the public build. I told him to spawn the dupe again, as he had removed it since i commented about the public building, and i examined the dupe, and simply gave him permission. I then got an @ call from Myflood while i was talking to RikarD, and gave him a permission as well.

Now. I am not always sure when it comes to the rules of the server myself, seeing how different admins have different opinions on what is what, which is why it make take a few minutes for me to react to a certain case, because i am asking other staff members on their opinions. Now. I've been told by one admin that as long as the public build is realistic and passive, i doesn't bother about public build permissions that much. I have also been told by another admin that everything that isn't behind owned doors (with a few exceptions) needs a public build permission. And seeing how i had a rather long conversation with you the day before about it, i did what i felt was right.

You weren't clearly trying to talk to us, you just came over, then spent about 10 minutes hovering over doing nothing. You can't expect people to just hang around forever while you're making no attempt to speak to them, and act as if they were attempting to run off from you when they get warranted by the police. If you felt we were obliged to stay, you could have made it far more obvious that you were talking to us, and carried us away from the police until you felt the issue was sorted, so we did not have to either run away or get put in jail.

We gave the BMD multiple warnings to get out of there after he insisted on giving us heroin, and I pulled a knife, gave him time to run, and then stabbed him once when he refused to leave. We didn't chase him down and continue to stab him once he left(he also made threats to kill us, so if we had, we would have had perfectly valid reasons). We only left after an arrest warrant was placed on me, after the 5 minutes or so they were arresting the black market dealer.

The spot where the construction was was about as far away from what could be deemed public, while technically still under the "not behind closed doors or within the nexus" definition. Blacklisting someone for that(even if warnings have been given for similar constructions that were just within the definition again) is pathetic, it's like blacklisting people from OOC for saying "damn" in it, or banning someone for NLR, because they returned 4 minutes and 50 seconds after they died and everyone involved had left the area. It doesn't solve any issues, and is just purely punishing players because you can over petty issues, rather than because they've actually caused any issues or misbehaved.

The fact that this, combined with me being dragged to a roof for 20 minutes because I stabbed a man who was refusing to leave, and then attacked me, and then stabbed another man with him who also refused to leave, and then used a non lethal weapon when he returned to get rid of him, while his fearRP violation you pointed out was totally ignored(in the exact way the BMD you keep bringing up ignored fearRP directly infront of you faced no punishment), and the fact you very much appeared to be entirely ignoring the far more obvious cases of "public building"(just hanging around ours for around 10 minutes not talking to us, then punishing Dave and continuing to hang around doing nothing) very much makes it seem like you're more determined to punish me and Dave for something, than anyone else. Unless you normally see a dupe down the most obscure, and dark area in the city, and think "oh, that's public building, I'll spend 10 minutes contacting another admin to see if I should punish the owners of it".

Now. I gave you a 3 hour blacklist, which is more then fair. I even got advised to ban you

"I sent you to jail for jaywalking, which is more than fair. I even got advised to execute you"