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#1- Gay Marriage y/n?
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(03-28-2013, 04:02 PM)Freezak Wrote: 1. It Is Not Marriage

Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.

The promoters of same-sex “marriage” propose something entirely different. They propose the union between two men or two women. This denies the self-evident biological, physiological, and psychological differences between men and women which find their complementarity in marriage. It also denies the specific primary purpose of marriage: the perpetuation of the human race and the raising of children.

Two entirely different things cannot be considered the same thing.


The nature of marriage has changed in definition and make-up many times over the centuries. Marriage today isn't at all like what it was two millennia or even two centuries ago. The changes in marriage have been broad and fundamental. A lot of these changes have moved the power given in marriage away from the families and to couples, and made women more equal than they used to be. Lets give some examples:
  • Legalization of divorce;
  • Criminalization of marital rape and recognition of the concept;
  • Legalization of contraception;
  • Legalization of interracial marriage;
  • Recognition of a woman’s right to property.
  • Removing dowries;
...and more.


Spoiler :
Elimination of parents arranging marriages with pre-determined spouses, removal of childhood marriage, no more betrothals, no more polygamy, an existence of a large number of unmarried people, its no longer mandatory for women to adopt their spouse’s last name, changing emphasis from money and property rights to actual love and personal fulfillment.


Notice how these revisions benefit women?
For the longest time marriage wasn't in any way a real ‘partnership’, and was more of a way for men to control women. They were considered property back in the old testament times. Only very recently has western civilization began to use marriage as an actual partnership and made it mutual.

(03-28-2013, 04:02 PM)Freezak Wrote: 5. It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right

Its not like these where minor reforms, only very recently can we look at the interracial marriage debate which is nearly fully documented.
The exact same arguments are coming up against gays now. Between one man and a woman, funny how it differs from the old definition of “between one white man, and one white woman”. So all the changes made above, the ones that changed women from property to equals, turned polygamy into monogamy, all of which were pretty much as massive and as controversial as gay marriage is today.

There’s also the fact that gay marriage is not unheard of in human history. There are quite a few societies’ that permitted it. Back on track, though. Marriage has been primarily about unions which made good economic sense. Rich people married other rich people in order to solidify political alliances and economic futures. Poor people married other poor people with whom they thought they could create a liveable future — someone who was a hard worker, reliable, strong, etc. Love existed, but it was a minor consideration next to simply surviving.
Today, the relative positions of the two have switched. Economic issues aren't totally irrelevant and few people rush to marry someone who appears unreliable and with no economic future. At the same time, though, romantic love has been made the most important basis for marriage.

When was the last time you saw someone praised for marrying for economic considerations?


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#1- Gay Marriage y/n? - by Rowan13 - 03-28-2013, 01:33 AM
RE: #1- Gay Marriage y/n? - by Jamie - 03-28-2013, 01:45 AM
RE: #1- Gay Marriage y/n? - by Doctor KuLa - 06-08-2013, 07:01 PM
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