2nd Amendment
Quote:Yes, those non-lethal items may have taken lives, but on the whole they are there to stop the uses of deadly force. I understand the right to self defense, this can be easily achieved without a gun. If I was at home, having a gun or legalized guns would make the situation worse, gun vs gun? Hell no. The tool used is and should be the matter of debate, if some one punched you, would you pull out your AK 47 and kill them? That wouldn't be self defense. Had you have punched them back, perhaps breaking an arm, that is feasible. Same situation here: Some one starts beating you up, your stronger and better, you ended up killing the person accidently that's classed as self defense, had you pulled out a gun or tazer that is not allowed. To be honest even punching him to death isn't good enough, running or evading is your best bet.
But using the gun would also end the situation right there and then. If I use an hunting shotgun with bird shot, it'll make them hurt like an mother f'er, but they'll still live to see another day, and if I was actually forced into an situation like that, I would try to actually get the person out of my house by mere show of force.
Which in respect of an semi-automatic rifle like the AR-15, the sight of such an rifle would be enough to make someone back down.

Quote:The way you were brought up, I understand it is just a bit odd to someone in the U.K to hear that. I respect your decision of childhood.
It's funny considering I grew up in an large town known as Buffalo, NY.


Quote:Yes these weapons can do nasty damage but not as much as a gun.
Look at your own risk

Quote:Well, this leads to a question. Why in such modern times, have they let this happen. Sure, making them illegal many should and hopefully good citizens, law abiding ones that is, sell them back. Those who don't would obviously face the court of justice facing a prison sentence. May I add, this 'Bill of Rights' seems quite odd. As for the shaking a bee hive for no good reason. How is saving the lives of, for example, 26 five year old children practically, don't fix what isn't broken, from what I can tell that is broken, past broken, beyond repair.
The fact of the matter[which most people forget] is Lanza was actually denied the right to purchase an firearm, and ammo thanks to the 4473(NCIS Mental/Police Backgrounds). Why it didn't raise flags, and why he wasn't pulled into an local police department for interrogation(which is customary), is something which greatly aggravates me regarding this whole case.
Then we also come to the fact that Connecticut is an hold-over of the AWB Restrictions. Meaning it's a lot tougher to get an gun there, then it would be for me in North Dakota.
Little sadistic humor actually, in North Dakota we have less firearm crimes then anywhere in the country, yet we've got the laxest firearm laws.

(12-22-2012, 09:33 PM)Aviator Wrote: My problem is any gun. No matter the type it is I wish not to walk side by side to people with a gun. The homicidal rates from deadly force in the U.S.A is very high, you can see that from previous posts. The homicidal rates in the U.K is pretty high from lesser lethal weapons and is generally due to gang culture not just killing a random civilian. The majority of homicide in the U.K is due to gang culture or the murders are preemptive not just a killing spree because someone managed to get their hands on a lot of ammunition and military grade or just below weapons.

The majority of the homicides in the United States are also related to gang culture... And unemployment, the failing mental healthcare system, lack of education, and constantly raising standards for employment.


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2nd Amendment - by StillAlive - 07-22-2012, 04:01 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Nevy - 07-22-2012, 05:21 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 07-22-2012, 05:29 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Rayne - 01-15-2013, 11:52 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by UTLonghorn12 - 01-16-2013, 12:13 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 01-16-2013, 01:48 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 01-20-2013, 07:03 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by ChimpB - 07-22-2012, 06:01 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 07-22-2012, 06:26 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by StillAlive - 07-22-2012, 06:10 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by x J0NN1 - 01-13-2013, 04:59 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by ChimpB - 07-22-2012, 06:48 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by StillAlive - 07-22-2012, 06:53 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by ChimpB - 07-22-2012, 06:56 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 07-22-2012, 07:05 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 07-22-2012, 07:19 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 07-22-2012, 07:25 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 07-22-2012, 07:27 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 07-22-2012, 07:30 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 07-22-2012, 07:34 PM
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RE: 2nd Amendment - by WorldWideCoffee - 07-22-2012, 07:26 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by StillAlive - 07-22-2012, 08:05 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by BlackDog - 07-22-2012, 08:30 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by WorldWideCoffee - 07-22-2012, 10:22 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dubwub - 07-22-2012, 10:38 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by WorldWideCoffee - 07-22-2012, 10:57 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by User 5190 - 07-23-2012, 12:00 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 07-23-2012, 06:51 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by StillAlive - 07-23-2012, 08:39 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by User 5190 - 07-23-2012, 10:45 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Toxic - 07-23-2012, 12:10 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Aoixification - 07-23-2012, 06:05 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Fiddlestiiicks - 07-23-2012, 06:24 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by monk - 07-23-2012, 06:58 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 07-23-2012, 07:34 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Aoixification - 07-23-2012, 08:03 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by RockHunter - 07-24-2012, 01:07 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 07-24-2012, 02:00 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by RockHunter - 07-24-2012, 02:35 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 07-24-2012, 02:49 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 07-24-2012, 09:17 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 07-24-2012, 09:48 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 07-28-2012, 01:28 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 07-28-2012, 06:50 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 07-28-2012, 12:23 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 07-29-2012, 09:27 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 07-29-2012, 09:56 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 07-30-2012, 08:31 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by richardhammond - 08-06-2012, 01:08 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Toxic - 08-06-2012, 01:30 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 08-06-2012, 02:47 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Faustie - 08-06-2012, 01:57 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 08-06-2012, 03:20 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by richardhammond - 08-06-2012, 02:36 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 08-06-2012, 03:35 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by richardhammond - 08-06-2012, 04:08 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 08-06-2012, 04:20 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 08-06-2012, 05:06 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 08-06-2012, 05:27 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 08-06-2012, 06:52 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Adman - 08-06-2012, 07:28 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 08-06-2012, 10:53 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 08-06-2012, 11:37 AM
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RE: 2nd Amendment - by Faustie - 08-06-2012, 12:23 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 08-06-2012, 01:03 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 08-06-2012, 01:41 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 08-06-2012, 03:49 PM
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RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 08-06-2012, 03:51 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 08-06-2012, 03:53 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 08-06-2012, 03:55 PM
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RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 08-06-2012, 04:00 PM
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RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 08-06-2012, 04:04 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 08-06-2012, 04:06 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Faustie - 08-06-2012, 09:12 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 08-06-2012, 09:56 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 08-06-2012, 10:44 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dylan - 08-07-2012, 10:23 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by StillAlive - 12-15-2012, 10:25 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by HellShell - 12-15-2012, 10:45 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by StillAlive - 12-15-2012, 10:52 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 12-16-2012, 06:58 PM
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RE: 2nd Amendment - by PrivateToast - 12-16-2012, 07:08 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 12-16-2012, 07:12 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by StillAlive - 12-16-2012, 07:43 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Narc - 12-16-2012, 07:47 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 12-16-2012, 10:11 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by PrivateToast - 12-17-2012, 12:49 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 12-17-2012, 02:10 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by CookieMasterz - 12-20-2012, 11:43 AM
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RE: 2nd Amendment - by Adman - 12-20-2012, 02:57 PM
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RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 12-20-2012, 08:11 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Adman - 12-20-2012, 10:08 PM
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RE: 2nd Amendment - by trouserlessliam - 12-20-2012, 10:18 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by aviator - 12-22-2012, 08:00 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 12-22-2012, 08:54 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Holdem - 12-22-2012, 09:15 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 12-22-2012, 10:57 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Holdem - 12-22-2012, 11:01 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 12-23-2012, 02:58 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by aviator - 12-22-2012, 09:26 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 12-22-2012, 09:46 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by DarkSider - 12-22-2012, 10:14 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 12-22-2012, 09:28 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by aviator - 12-22-2012, 09:33 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by buffalobagingi - 12-22-2012, 09:33 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by aviator - 12-22-2012, 09:35 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 12-22-2012, 10:49 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 12-23-2012, 03:29 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Toxic - 12-23-2012, 04:51 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Adman - 12-23-2012, 09:46 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by aviator - 12-23-2012, 10:09 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Adman - 12-23-2012, 12:34 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by aviator - 12-23-2012, 01:12 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by PrivateToast - 12-23-2012, 12:40 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by SoulRipper - 12-23-2012, 12:56 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Holdem - 12-23-2012, 03:38 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by DarkSider - 12-23-2012, 03:59 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by aviator - 12-23-2012, 06:10 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 12-23-2012, 07:21 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 12-23-2012, 10:13 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by StillAlive - 12-23-2012, 10:57 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by RockHunter - 12-24-2012, 01:00 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 12-24-2012, 12:26 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by CookieMasterz - 12-24-2012, 02:36 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Noob saibot - 12-27-2012, 07:16 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 12-27-2012, 07:52 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by MattyG56 - 12-27-2012, 07:21 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by DarkSider - 12-27-2012, 07:33 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 12-29-2012, 10:25 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by BlackDog - 12-30-2012, 11:18 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by aviator - 12-30-2012, 10:09 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Adman - 12-30-2012, 11:25 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 12-30-2012, 07:31 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Adman - 12-30-2012, 10:23 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 12-30-2012, 11:12 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 12-30-2012, 11:14 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 12-30-2012, 11:20 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Giant Pony - 01-13-2013, 05:48 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 01-14-2013, 04:13 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Toxic - 01-14-2013, 05:12 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Adman - 01-13-2013, 11:31 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 01-13-2013, 04:38 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by UTLonghorn12 - 01-14-2013, 04:34 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 01-14-2013, 05:01 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 01-14-2013, 11:41 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Old Man Jokhah - 01-15-2013, 02:44 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by G3n3r1cG4t0r48 - 01-15-2013, 04:48 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Adman - 01-15-2013, 04:51 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by G3n3r1cG4t0r48 - 01-15-2013, 04:56 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Toxic - 01-15-2013, 07:32 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by G3n3r1cG4t0r48 - 01-15-2013, 07:42 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Adman - 01-15-2013, 05:29 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 01-15-2013, 08:03 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by G3n3r1cG4t0r48 - 01-15-2013, 07:25 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Toxic - 01-16-2013, 06:09 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Adman - 01-16-2013, 04:39 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Slick Rick - 01-16-2013, 11:55 PM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Dsu - 01-17-2013, 12:12 AM
RE: 2nd Amendment - by Joey Skylynx - 01-20-2013, 07:44 PM

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