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(12-18-2020, 07:02 PM)Awestruck Wrote: The banning admin, who is promoted based on the fact they will be objective and unbias, usually has full understanding of the situation and can therefore deal with it appropriately. Misconduct or abuse can be reported.

8 times out of 10, your UBR will be denied unless you can provide solid proof you didn't break the rules.

1. The admin who unbanned you is going to have an inherent bias to uphold his own decision lest he be made out a fool!
   
2. Giving admins the potential to close cases they're already linked to gives them the chance to sweep these things under the rug! Although I have no proof, I wonder how many times this has happened and the banned individual could not be bothered to report it!
   
3. Why is it the role of the accused to show there are not in the wrong, what happened to innocent before proven guilty!
   
4. Why do we assume admins will always be objective and unbiased! Many times this has been shown not to be true (not to mention the recent removal of an admin whose name shall not be mentioned!) as by the staggering amount of staff reports!
   
5. You are right! Misconduct can be reported, but it not always is! Staff reports take a lot of time, and most people cannot be bothered! By kicking the bucket of potential staff abuse down the road, we allow potential abuses of power to go unnoticed!
   

(12-18-2020, 07:34 PM)Fry Wrote:

(12-18-2020, 07:02 PM)Awestruck Wrote: The banning admin, who is promoted based on the fact they will be objective and unbias, usually has full understanding of the situation and can therefore deal with it appropriately. Misconduct or abuse can be reported.

8 times out of 10, your UBR will be denied unless you can provide solid proof you didn't break the rules.

Awestruck thank you for your quick and explanatory reply. However! There are many issues with this system.

1. The admin who unbanned you is going to have an inherent bias to uphold his own decision lest he be made out a fool!
   
2. Giving admins the potential to close cases they're already linked to gives them the chance to sweep these things under the rug! Although I have no proof, I wonder how many times this has happened and the banned individual could not be bothered to report it!
   
3. Why is it the role of the accused to show there are not in the wrong, what happened to innocent before proven guilty!
   
4. Why do we assume admins will always be objective and unbiased! Many times this has been shown not to be true (not to mention the recent removal of an admin whose name shall not be mentioned!) as by the staggering amount of staff reports!
   
5. You are right! Misconduct can be reported, but it not always is! Staff reports take a lot of time, and most people cannot be bothered! By kicking the bucket of potential staff abuse down the road, we allow potential abuses of power to go unnoticed!
   

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You're forgetting that someone who wasn't there at the situation can't handle it, which generally leaves just the banning admin. You can't get a second admin opinion as they weren't there, they won't understand the entire situation. That's why proof is essential to UBRs, I'm sure if you had proof you didn't break the rules or showing it was a misunderstanding then it would be lifted. It's not a perfect system but I can't think of anything better.

(12-18-2020, 09:15 PM)ScruffyTheYowie Wrote: I agree with Fry here. I knew of at least one admin sympathetic to my situation but as Steven8ken immediately denied my UBR and gave a warning there's nothing I can do. A trio to review sounds much fairer than what's currently in place.