(05-18-2022, 02:59 PM)Pollux Wrote:

(05-18-2022, 06:39 AM)M0x Wrote:

(05-18-2022, 12:00 AM)Random Wrote: Welcome to FL, has it’s ups and downs, has been that way for years.

What saved it was people that actually cared and wanted FL to live, and had to make the neccesary changes   now those people are busy showing how important they are.

No one "saved" it at all in the past. Literally whenever the server pop was down years ago we just waited a few months and it recovered itself. We hardly made any changes at all, maybe once in a while we had an update alongside it but not always. Most recent example is just a few months ago, we didn't really do anything but the server was fine.

FL has had these moments several times a year for quite a while now, it's usually always people saying "FL needs big change or it dies" and then it proceeds to not die with no change at all. Not saying I expect it to recover without doing anything this time, just trying to compare it to the past kinda goes against your point.

(05-21-2022, 10:40 AM)Haarek Wrote: I think you are forgetting that nobody here can pull magnificent changes and updates out their ass.

It takes time and work. Be patient.

(05-21-2022, 01:37 AM)Tim Wrote:

(05-18-2022, 02:59 PM)Pollux Wrote:

(05-18-2022, 06:39 AM)M0x Wrote:

(05-18-2022, 12:00 AM)Random Wrote: Welcome to FL, has it’s ups and downs, has been that way for years.

What saved it was people that actually cared and wanted FL to live, and had to make the neccesary changes   now those people are busy showing how important they are.

No one "saved" it at all in the past. Literally whenever the server pop was down years ago we just waited a few months and it recovered itself. We hardly made any changes at all, maybe once in a while we had an update alongside it but not always. Most recent example is just a few months ago, we didn't really do anything but the server was fine.

FL has had these moments several times a year for quite a while now, it's usually always people saying "FL needs big change or it dies" and then it proceeds to not die with no change at all. Not saying I expect it to recover without doing anything this time, just trying to compare it to the past kinda goes against your point.

This is the worst thing i've seen said by any of the staff team yet. Yeah let's just "wait" for people's exams to be over so they can come back to play a server that's been the same for 14 years. "No need to update it just keep it the same, that seems to work". people will come back eventually, happens every year." That's the most stupid thing ever heard. Like, no wonder why the server has never had a significant change or update, because you guys just wait it out instead of making changes. That's not development. Nor a way a server should be run. Like you don't even need to say "We hardly made any changes at all" because everyone is quite aware and have been for 14 years. You know that saying that goes "Only time will tell."? Yeah time called back and they told me the server's still the same as it was 14 years ago.

(05-21-2022, 12:19 PM)Link Wrote:

(05-21-2022, 10:40 AM)Haarek Wrote: I think you are forgetting that nobody here can pull magnificent changes and updates out their ass.

It takes time and work. Be patient.

Though I do agree with this in moderation, this thread was created in mid February. That's over three months ago. The amount of stuff you can get done in a week is surprising, let alone 90+ days; and that's not even taking into account that you have a whole team of people 'working' on it.

(05-16-2022, 10:39 PM)Haarek Wrote:

(05-16-2022, 09:12 PM)Equinox Wrote:

(05-16-2022, 07:26 PM)Haarek Wrote:

(05-16-2022, 05:39 PM)Equinox Wrote: "...but will also never join when there's <10 players on to either start the snowball effect with players or to just start a casual RP on the server."

You can't expect people to sacrifice their enjoyment for populating the server.

If you need to have people kickstart the server then there is something fundamentally wrong. The only way to solve it - is to understand and address the underlaying problem.

This "kickstarting the server" mentality is short sighted.
You are basically bucketing water out of a sinking boat - instead of fixing the leak.

This is not even "kickstarting" like you call it. *Eventually* someone would have to join the server, even back in golden days of FL. It's not like the server had constant 40-50 players on, even at 5AM on school day.

In those days there were regular players that burned for the game mode. It wasn't hard to populate the server when you had hundreds of teens who literally woke up just to play FL.

That's obviously not the case anymore - for several fixable reasons IMO.

(05-16-2022, 09:12 PM)Equinox Wrote: At some point, someone had to see 5-6 players on the server and obviously joined because they knew server would be borderline full within next few hours. Nowadays they don't even consider joining if it's below 15, and even then it's new players who randomly found server in server browser.

Point being that we need to fix the underlaying problem for why this happens. It doesn't help trying to kickstart the population if nobody enjoys the game. I think we both agree on this.

(05-16-2022, 10:09 PM)Tim Wrote: Over 20 pages

True OG´s know it's 5

(05-21-2022, 04:18 PM)Boonan Wrote:

(05-21-2022, 01:37 AM)Tim Wrote:

(05-18-2022, 02:59 PM)Pollux Wrote:

(05-18-2022, 06:39 AM)M0x Wrote:

(05-18-2022, 12:00 AM)Random Wrote: Welcome to FL, has it’s ups and downs, has been that way for years.

What saved it was people that actually cared and wanted FL to live, and had to make the neccesary changes   now those people are busy showing how important they are.

No one "saved" it at all in the past. Literally whenever the server pop was down years ago we just waited a few months and it recovered itself. We hardly made any changes at all, maybe once in a while we had an update alongside it but not always. Most recent example is just a few months ago, we didn't really do anything but the server was fine.

FL has had these moments several times a year for quite a while now, it's usually always people saying "FL needs big change or it dies" and then it proceeds to not die with no change at all. Not saying I expect it to recover without doing anything this time, just trying to compare it to the past kinda goes against your point.

This is the worst thing i've seen said by any of the staff team yet. Yeah let's just "wait" for people's exams to be over so they can come back to play a server that's been the same for 14 years. "No need to update it just keep it the same, that seems to work". people will come back eventually, happens every year." That's the most stupid thing ever heard. Like, no wonder why the server has never had a significant change or update, because you guys just wait it out instead of making changes. That's not development. Nor a way a server should be run. Like you don't even need to say "We hardly made any changes at all" because everyone is quite aware and have been for 14 years. You know that saying that goes "Only time will tell."? Yeah time called back and they told me the server's still the same as it was 14 years ago.

You're getting the wrong idea, they're saying that they'll be prioritising their exams over working on FL, as its not up for discussion that somebodies future outweighs fixing and implementing stuff to fix FL (again this is all voluntary work btw) and trust me they're aware that this one can't just be rode out like it has been in the past- it simply won't work this time. It needs big change, however real life takes precedence so all changes would've been halted until exam period is over.

(05-21-2022, 05:42 PM)Tim Wrote: -Snip-
So they've been doing exams for 14 years straight? This is no excuse for the lack of major updates and actual development. There has to have been some time in between. They just let it ride it out instead of doing something, which shows. Not saying it's wrong to prioritize yourself over a game. But that excuse only goes so far.

(05-21-2022, 05:45 PM)Joe Joe Wrote:

(05-21-2022, 05:42 PM)Tim Wrote: -Snip-
So they've been doing exams for 14 years straight? This is no excuse for the lack of major updates and actual development. There has to have been some time in between. They just let it ride it out instead of doing something, which shows. Not saying it's wrong to prioritize yourself over a game. But that excuse only goes so far.

Lets not blame the current team for the past 14 years of team. Come on now that logic can't even hold up. Just because we have the benefit of hindsight it doesn't mean the team say 3 years ago could have predicted where we are at currently. We are in a bad situation don't get me wrong. However, for the next few weeks, myself and many on the team will be prioritising our futures.

(05-21-2022, 05:55 PM)Tim Wrote:

(05-21-2022, 05:45 PM)Joe Joe Wrote:

(05-21-2022, 05:42 PM)Tim Wrote: -Snip-
So they've been doing exams for 14 years straight? This is no excuse for the lack of major updates and actual development. There has to have been some time in between. They just let it ride it out instead of doing something, which shows. Not saying it's wrong to prioritize yourself over a game. But that excuse only goes so far.

Lets not blame the current team for the past 14 years of team. Come on now that logic can't even hold up. Just because we have the benefit of hindsight it doesn't mean the team say 3 years ago could have predicted where we are at currently. We are in a bad situation don't get me wrong. However, for the next few weeks, myself and many on the team will be prioritising our futures.

I see where your coming from and I understand and respect what you mean. But who is else is to blame? Especially when Pollux said y'all just let the server do its thing and wait for it to come back instead of updating and actually making changes to a severely outdated gamemode. It sure isn't the community's fault.

(05-21-2022, 06:00 PM)Joe Joe Wrote:

(05-21-2022, 05:55 PM)Tim Wrote:

(05-21-2022, 05:45 PM)Joe Joe Wrote:

(05-21-2022, 05:42 PM)Tim Wrote: -Snip-
So they've been doing exams for 14 years straight? This is no excuse for the lack of major updates and actual development. There has to have been some time in between. They just let it ride it out instead of doing something, which shows. Not saying it's wrong to prioritize yourself over a game. But that excuse only goes so far.

Lets not blame the current team for the past 14 years of team. Come on now that logic can't even hold up. Just because we have the benefit of hindsight it doesn't mean the team say 3 years ago could have predicted where we are at currently. We are in a bad situation don't get me wrong. However, for the next few weeks, myself and many on the team will be prioritising our futures.

I see where your coming from and I understand and respect what you mean. But who is else is to blame? Especially when Pollux said y'all just let the server do its thing and wait for it to come back instead of updating and actually making changes to a severely outdated gamemode. It sure isn't the community's fault.

But equally, for example, myself and Pollux have been Management since the beginning of the year. How are we personally to blame for 13 years of prior work? That's like blaming an employee of a company for its failure in the past when they've just received a promotion.