CityRP Update "Red Alert"

[Old Man Jokhah]

To address the conversation about why underground cannot grow plants. I see people mislabeling the problem they are trying to point out. To clarify, I believe that Flood was the OP.

@Flood

I believe the administration has mislabeled the actual reason as to why they cannot grow food. It obviously wouldn't be fail rp for the rebels who are inherently poor to grow food. If anything it would make more sense that they should grow food. However, statistically the rebel and corleone jobs are the most likely to have contraband and are the only ones other then the BMD who grow weed. If you also allowed them to grow food, the game mechanics would then allow for someone to have full contra, grow weed, and grow food.

Allow that process to soak before continuing and give it some honest thought. It's not to say that this kind of "freedom" (term used to loosely describe the general lack of limitation over the other jobs is this were the case) is a bad thing. That being said, some people do unfortunately come on to contra/base camp, and this would only make that process even easier.

Please allow that to process again, let those gears turn for a long moment. You should already be performing the "how to fix that issue" process like anyone would. I did that too, but then I concluded that the obvious fix to be worse for the general community and would only work for the lesser majority of more experienced players.

The obvious fix would be to add a rule or amend the contrafarming rule for the underground shops to apply to the underground teams as well. I'm referring to the one about you can't contrafarm without performing your job. If you added this extra freedom, then had to add a rule to apply to it, it would be more work. Now for an experienced player this isn't a problem. New players will suffer for it in terms of that's just one more of the hundreds of ways to get banned.

If you chose not to add a rule, then it's more likely that those teams would hide in their fort and farm away. Even worse, the smarter ones would shield themselves with the "no reason to raid because I never even left my base in the past 3 hours" defense. If you're unfamiliar with that, it's when a contra hoe sits in there then immediately contacts the admin for a random raid attempt, to which the admin will peak in the house, see the contra, then have to attempt to piece together if it could be heard, if it was really heard, and passing judgement on the situation. (Random raids, Fear RP, and Fail RP tend to be the cases that can be the hardest and take the most time of an administrator unless they are a witness to the situation)

That is where I ended up after reading over the conversation and giving it some actual thought.

I think the formula should look something like this. To apply to any job.

Contra + Weed or Contra + Food or even Weed + Food.

It would actually make a hell of a lot more sense if the rebels could do weed and food. Druglabs MAYBE. Money printers are actually extremely expensive and the plates used to print the bills cost fortunes to aquire illegally. Sadly, rebels are classified as underground (I.E. not exactly the moral good guys in most cases that we interact with them) and they should not lose the ability to spawn contra, so giving one food and not the other leads to a balance issue, giving them both the ability leads to more potential rule breaks or lack of rp due to base camping.

This all being said, if you gave citizens the ability to grow weed, in addition to contra and food, you will see a decrease in rebel / corleone player useage, because if you want to be the bad guy or contra farm, why would you use the inferior job to do so? As of right now, with citizens being able to grow food and contraband, I speculate that there will be more custom job aggressive players with the "cookie cutter EXCUSE" /job Criminal. Thankfully they cannot grow weed so they are the goto excuse job.

Jobs like Criminal and that other silly one they use to raid the president, Freedom Fighter, have been usually some of the most paper thin rp excuses that have been coming up since the custom job has to be specific rule. I'd hate to see more sloppy, rp in job title only, style bringing a bad name to the groups that do it correctly, but that is where you end up with the more freedom you offer.


MY POINT (incase you skipped)

I agree that it would be far from fail rp to allow the underground jobs to grow food, but I do strongly believe that it would promote behavior unbecoming of roleplay and lean more into the realm of aggressive dark rp style. Adding rules would only lead to more punishments on the less experience players which eventually leads to more permabans. More perms leads to less players in the community, which in turn is not good for the health of the community. Should there be a way to regulate the behavior without additional rules (there are already too many and even some unwritten ones) and without creating a void in the balance of both job useage and job access to features, then perhaps it could work. In the current state though, short of coding more stuff to attempt to regulate/adding even more systems, a real fix is beyond me.

Hope this helps give both supporters and non supporters an unbiased third party look at the pros and cons of that debate.