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05-30-2015, 06:33 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-01-2022, 01:04 AM by Fearless Community.
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Name: jarz
Time/Date: Approximately 0100 GMT, 5/29/2015 | 29/5/2015
Steam ID:
jarz: STEAM_0:1:10448444
Grub: STEAM_0:1:11680391
Name of Administrator: Lt. Grub
Evidence: Accusation: FearRP
There was a hostage situation at the gas station next to the Corleone villas. The admin criminal team demanded entrance to the tunnel, of which we obliged. However, 1 SRU and 3 Police Officers were on the flank, going all the way through the lake, to connectivity road, the the existing FUMUKU compound at the car depot, where we parked our vehicles and proceeded on foot towards the tunnel.
I decided to pull the units to the side to search the Church Town whilst we were there, and to my not-so-much-surprise, I found Grub building last-ditch effort defenses for the primary suspects to fall back to, and make a final stand. We, in a line, moved our way down the hillside, where Grub then looked up and saw 4 men with assault rifles pointing at him. He equipped his revolver at this sight, and ran on the road, to the main road, and linked up with his posse. Note this meetup was right outside the physical tunnel enterance. (Between the curve of the road and the tunnel.)
I unfortunately was not recording this encounter, however I recorded the conversation via PM, after the initial confrontation. It will be included at the end.
Note: Dotted lines: Direction of view. Solid lines: Direction of travel.
Red:
Green:
Blue:
Actual evidence:
I find it great how Grub made a total of SEVEN DIFFERENT arguments to justify it. I will hereby respond in concise detail each argument he threw at me.
1) You didn't tell me anything.
http://puu.sh/i5D2L/2ecea91721.png
2) I had a gun out.
You had a gun out after you looked up and saw 4 cops with assault rifles point at you. You then proceeded to run away from us despite our weapons being on you.
3) My buddies were around the corner!
Yeah, there were a round an entire hill. They couldn't even hear any gunshots should any have gone off.
4) What are you even talking about?
The situation.
5) I might have had a hostage, Smart thinking.
No you didn't, the village was clear from our OP, not to mention we knew all hostages were present at the tunnels.
6) I had a gun out!
7) I swear I had a gun out!
8) Minute I saw you guys, My gun was out.
Ah, so here we see deviation from the original argument. He here admits his gun was NOT OUT until he saw us. This clearly gives us the upper hand in the case of FearRP.
9) I had my gun out, I was far away from you.
Look at the first picture, or ask the other officers, of which I don't remember in particular who was with us.
silence from grub from here on out.
I wanted to clarify with an admin if this was OK. Here is one of the responses.
I asked many admins, however I felt it was not fair to have the views of parties involved with this case, especially those directly involved on my side. Was only able to contact two admins, one of which the questioning was done over the mic. I showed him how the events transpired at the scene, but he said he did not quite understand, or that he needed more context (honestly don't remember.) That is deviating from the point however.
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So, now that I have shown that Grub has not denied from running away from the police officers at gunpoint, I would like to discuss... what gives? Those men who died in the assault did not have to die if Grub abided to FearRP.
I want to ask if admins on both sides (Suspects/Police) Not make any final judgement, but I encourage them to add their point of view. Thanks.
Time/Date: Approximately 0100 GMT, 5/29/2015 | 29/5/2015
Steam ID:
jarz: STEAM_0:1:10448444
Grub: STEAM_0:1:11680391
Name of Administrator: Lt. Grub
Evidence: Accusation: FearRP
There was a hostage situation at the gas station next to the Corleone villas. The admin criminal team demanded entrance to the tunnel, of which we obliged. However, 1 SRU and 3 Police Officers were on the flank, going all the way through the lake, to connectivity road, the the existing FUMUKU compound at the car depot, where we parked our vehicles and proceeded on foot towards the tunnel.
I decided to pull the units to the side to search the Church Town whilst we were there, and to my not-so-much-surprise, I found Grub building last-ditch effort defenses for the primary suspects to fall back to, and make a final stand. We, in a line, moved our way down the hillside, where Grub then looked up and saw 4 men with assault rifles pointing at him. He equipped his revolver at this sight, and ran on the road, to the main road, and linked up with his posse. Note this meetup was right outside the physical tunnel enterance. (Between the curve of the road and the tunnel.)
I unfortunately was not recording this encounter, however I recorded the conversation via PM, after the initial confrontation. It will be included at the end.
Note: Dotted lines: Direction of view. Solid lines: Direction of travel.
Red:
Spoiler :
Green:
Spoiler :
Blue:
Spoiler :
Actual evidence:
I find it great how Grub made a total of SEVEN DIFFERENT arguments to justify it. I will hereby respond in concise detail each argument he threw at me.
1) You didn't tell me anything.
http://puu.sh/i5D2L/2ecea91721.png
2) I had a gun out.
You had a gun out after you looked up and saw 4 cops with assault rifles point at you. You then proceeded to run away from us despite our weapons being on you.
3) My buddies were around the corner!
Yeah, there were a round an entire hill. They couldn't even hear any gunshots should any have gone off.
4) What are you even talking about?
The situation.
5) I might have had a hostage, Smart thinking.
No you didn't, the village was clear from our OP, not to mention we knew all hostages were present at the tunnels.
6) I had a gun out!
7) I swear I had a gun out!
8) Minute I saw you guys, My gun was out.
Ah, so here we see deviation from the original argument. He here admits his gun was NOT OUT until he saw us. This clearly gives us the upper hand in the case of FearRP.
9) I had my gun out, I was far away from you.
Look at the first picture, or ask the other officers, of which I don't remember in particular who was with us.
silence from grub from here on out.
I wanted to clarify with an admin if this was OK. Here is one of the responses.
Spoiler :
I asked many admins, however I felt it was not fair to have the views of parties involved with this case, especially those directly involved on my side. Was only able to contact two admins, one of which the questioning was done over the mic. I showed him how the events transpired at the scene, but he said he did not quite understand, or that he needed more context (honestly don't remember.) That is deviating from the point however.
---
So, now that I have shown that Grub has not denied from running away from the police officers at gunpoint, I would like to discuss... what gives? Those men who died in the assault did not have to die if Grub abided to FearRP.
I want to ask if admins on both sides (Suspects/Police) Not make any final judgement, but I encourage them to add their point of view. Thanks.